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>> you know, we use the volatility, the fiscal cliff to buy great businesses that are on sale. you know, the fact remains that the stocks are extremely underowned like i've never seen. i saw the other day, in 2006 pensions and endowments had about 60% of their enveinvestme in equities. that's down to under 35% in most cases. you also had four years of the much yul fund li mutual fund liquidations. i don't think the market is at great risk here. stay with domestic companies. stay with companies that have real high barriers of entry that are kpacheap. if you get caught up in the day to day news flow, you can get whipped in and out. the fiscal cliff will be resolved, whether it's two weeks or a month and a half. the market will move around, but long term it looks good. >> the question s how will it be resolved? jeff cox, already we are seeing a movement on the part of investors to say, if i'm sitting on a position where i've made money, i'm going to sell now given the fact i've been taxed at a 15% capital gains tax versus 20, 25, 30, who the heck knows in 2013. so why would i want
>> you know, we use the volatility, the fiscal cliff to buy great businesses that are on sale. you know, the fact remains that the stocks are extremely underowned like i've never seen. i saw the other day, in 2006 pensions and endowments had about 60% of their enveinvestme in equities. that's down to under 35% in most cases. you also had four years of the much yul fund li mutual fund liquidations. i don't think the market is at great risk here. stay with domestic companies. stay with...
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do on whether or not people heard about the fiscal cliff. have you heard of it? comparing it to some of the other times people asked about news event, there's the trayvon martin shooting in the street, occupy wall street, 82%, facebook ipo 7 %, 70% of the republic has heard it compared to the fiscal crisis in greece, 63% had heard it. in that number 36% had read a lot about it or heard a lot about it. do they believe a solution is likely? our numbers different from other poles. americans are more optic. first of all see what they think, unlikely 73% back in november when we asked about the debt program would there be an agreement, 73% saying that, now 44%. the number you want to think is 4% to 44% thinks a solution is likely. who thinks it's likely, that's interesting and driving this number. he can break it down by party. look at what we find, republicans 52-42, independents, i come back here, there we go, independents 47-32 and it's really what you see here 60% of democrats think it's unlikely. i just want to show you again when we get to
do on whether or not people heard about the fiscal cliff. have you heard of it? comparing it to some of the other times people asked about news event, there's the trayvon martin shooting in the street, occupy wall street, 82%, facebook ipo 7 %, 70% of the republic has heard it compared to the fiscal crisis in greece, 63% had heard it. in that number 36% had read a lot about it or heard a lot about it. do they believe a solution is likely? our numbers different from other poles. americans are...
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are they worried that if indeed we get close to the fiscal cliff or we go over the fiscal cliff that that will affect their businesses? >> well, for us, we primarily focus on working with small, medium size businesses. fiscal cliffs and politics don't come up much in our conversations. we focus on creating customer unique rewards. i think businesses know from a consumer standpoint, it's greater than 90% are disposable income is spent within a couple of miles of your home. focusing on local, helping businesses retain customers an drive frequency in their local markets can really help drive through any potential impact of a fiscal cliff. >> jeff, what are you hearing in the valley about the fiscal cliff, how concerned are the other people that you talk to, the inknow vnovators out there, are millionaires, billionaires and many of whom are trying to start new businesses in the valley. >> you know, the perception is more about -- the talk is more about the potential impact on business and allowing -- not taking action to address this issue and letting it expire is bad for business. every
are they worried that if indeed we get close to the fiscal cliff or we go over the fiscal cliff that that will affect their businesses? >> well, for us, we primarily focus on working with small, medium size businesses. fiscal cliffs and politics don't come up much in our conversations. we focus on creating customer unique rewards. i think businesses know from a consumer standpoint, it's greater than 90% are disposable income is spent within a couple of miles of your home. focusing on...
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cliff. but his actions have not matched his public statements. members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. >> the speaker's remarks riled the left and provoked this response from senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> with only a handful of legislative days left on the congress's calendar before the looming fiscal cliff becomes a raw reality, will the president and house gop find a way over the latest road black and back to the bargaining table? >> why did the white house decide to have this as their opening volley when they knew the response would be a negative one that they drew? >> was it hardball opening? yeah, of course it was. the question is, what's the counteroffer? >> i would imagine there has to -- tim geithner is too smart of a guy in this administration is filled
cliff. but his actions have not matched his public statements. members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. >> the speaker's remarks riled the left and provoked this response from senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> with only a handful of legislative...
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious, as well. >> is this assessment of yours based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night and you can tell us something about that knophone c? >> we had very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much would you be open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to give to a longer range solution on entitlements and tax reform? >> there are a lot of options on the table, including that one. >> mr. speaker, before the election, you were asked whether if obama won taxes would have to go up. and you've made it sound like you would oppose that. now you're acknowledging that they will. >> the day after the election, i came here and made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolve
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious, as well. >> is this assessment of yours based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night and you can tell us something about that knophone c? >> we had very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of...
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we'll and jeff solomon -- what other effects the fiscal cliff is having on business and investment. and reminder, here we go again, this is -- don't miss steve liesman's exclusive interview. >> read it, joe, it's what the company wants you to do. >> with treasury secretary tim geithner. liesman will be on at 4:00 he'll also have geithner. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> welcome back to "squawk box," everyone. let's take a look at shares of walgreens. november same store sales fell by 6.2%. that is smaller than the 7.3% drop that analysts had been expecting. >>> and a big deal just made official moments ago, freeport mcmoran is buying two companies. the combined price about $20 billion. now owns about 31% of mcmoran exploration. take a look at that, up about 25% for plains exploration. >> mm-hmm. >>> and another company moving up its dividend, best b
we'll and jeff solomon -- what other effects the fiscal cliff is having on business and investment. and reminder, here we go again, this is -- don't miss steve liesman's exclusive interview. >> read it, joe, it's what the company wants you to do. >> with treasury secretary tim geithner. liesman will be on at 4:00 he'll also have geithner. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus...
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the looming fiscal cliff. the president's criticized for only sitting do with big business, ceo, and union leaders. joining me now are three owners who atented the meeting with the president,tillegge construction and andy, president o a. harold and associates. welcome, all. i want you all to answer this queson. what does your company do? keith, starting with you. >> hi, gerri, thanks for having me. a general contracting company, mainly in defense, and we are located in baton rou, louisiana, reasonable offices in dallas, texas, and general contractor. -erri: all right, julia? >> hi, thank you so much, gerri. we help people become healthier, happier, and smarter. gerri: i need a lot of that, yeah. >> it helps you exercise better and sleep better and get better nutrition. gerri: oh, my lord. >> lose pounds. gerri: sounds magical. >> we hope it is. gerri: andy, you're a defense contractor; correct? >> yes, thank you very much for having me tonight. gerri: you're welcome. glad to have you here. andy, how did the pr
the looming fiscal cliff. the president's criticized for only sitting do with big business, ceo, and union leaders. joining me now are three owners who atented the meeting with the president,tillegge construction and andy, president o a. harold and associates. welcome, all. i want you all to answer this queson. what does your company do? keith, starting with you. >> hi, gerri, thanks for having me. a general contracting company, mainly in defense, and we are located in baton rou,...
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those 40 republicans part of this bipartisan group that would be open to new ideas on the fiscal cliff talks. of the dow, the best performers and worst performers today, the full-ti financials higher led by bank of america. nasdaq, we need to highlight this, was lower, down 20 points today. why? because of apple. apple had one of its worst days. we highlighted this earlier. something very archean called the death cross, the 50-day moving average crossed below the 200-day moving average. what does that mean? just means it could be going lower from here. down 6% on apple today. the yield of the ten-year went lower. as they were buying stocks, they were also buying treasuries today. we were below 1.58 for a time on the ten-year note. finally, watch the vix. the fear indicator continues to move lower today. we've not been above 20. sort of the yellow flag territory since july. ben willis, is this market complacent since the fear indicator does not go higher even when we have fears about the fiscal cliff? >> no, i don't think it's come play september. i think we've actually started the end
those 40 republicans part of this bipartisan group that would be open to new ideas on the fiscal cliff talks. of the dow, the best performers and worst performers today, the full-ti financials higher led by bank of america. nasdaq, we need to highlight this, was lower, down 20 points today. why? because of apple. apple had one of its worst days. we highlighted this earlier. something very archean called the death cross, the 50-day moving average crossed below the 200-day moving average. what...
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business, continue to grow and at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. each and every day as we walk the halls you continue to ask the question. we want the answers solving fiscal cliff. we put be a offer on the table. the president now has to engage. i think the next 72 hours are critical. he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this is an opportunity for the president to lead. >> as fiscal cliff negotiations and debate continues, i think it's important to remember that washington doesn't have a revenue problem. it has a spending problem. under this administration under president obama we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate and yet he keeps demanding that we raise taxes -- >> those are some of the republican leadership in the house as you can see responding to the white house's response to their counteroffer of a couple days ago as a reminder the president is going to speak to the business roundtable at 10:50 this morning. we think he
business, continue to grow and at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. each and every day as we walk the halls you continue to ask the question. we want the answers solving fiscal cliff. we put be a offer on the table. the president now has to engage. i think the next 72 hours are critical. he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this is an opportunity for the president to lead....
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. >> reporter: any real deal-making is the stuff of quiet conversations and meetings. rob neighbors used the language of high-stakes diplomacy to respond to john boehner's complaint >> i thought the conversation was very direct. and as always, i appreciate directness. >> reporter: while the senate majority leader, harry reid, was very blunt about being pessimistic. >> i don't understand his brain, you should ask him. >> reporter: visiting their nation's capitol today, mixed expectations from tourists from georgia and texas >> i hope they get it, more than i did before the election. >> of course i'm nervous, you never know what politicians are going to do. >> reporter: democrats, still lifted by their election success, argued that voters chose higher tax rates for wealthy americans as part of any plan to cut the deficit. and say republicans will have to give in. >> did speaker john boehner get the message? because the message was work together. >> they're not going to openly concede on this point this far out from the deadline, but they
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. >> reporter: any real deal-making is the stuff of quiet conversations and meetings. rob neighbors used the language of high-stakes diplomacy to respond to john boehner's complaint >> i thought the conversation was very direct. and as always, i appreciate directness. >> reporter: while the senate majority leader, harry reid, was very blunt about being pessimistic. >> i don't understand his brain, you should ask him....
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. paul. [ inaudible question ] meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night. could you tell us something about that phone call? >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straight forward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much would you be open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to get to a longer-range solution on entitlements and tax reform? >> there are a lot of options on the table, including that one. >> mr. speaker, before the election, you were asked whether if it obama won taxes would have to go up. and you sounded like you opposed that. now you're acknowledging that they will. >> the day after the election, i came here and made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table. as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolved. >> right. so my
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. paul. [ inaudible question ] meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night. could you tell us something about that phone call? >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straight forward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those...
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. >>> if we go over the fiscal cliff, global business travel association estimates that u.s. biz travel spending will take a $20 billion hit in the short term. but how about the long term outlook? find out next. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is, business pro. yes, it is. go national. go like a pro. >>> what are the long term effects for business travel if the economy falls off the fiscal cliff? the gbta predicts the reduced deficits and lower interest rates will lead to growth in the economy and an increase in business travel spending. >>> welcome back. now to the weather channel. reynolds wolf is standing by. what is happening around the country today? >> the story is all west. everything is taking place out west. rain, some strong winds, even some snow. some places snow getting
. >>> if we go over the fiscal cliff, global business travel association estimates that u.s. biz travel spending will take a $20 billion hit in the short term. but how about the long term outlook? find out next. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the...
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in part because of worries about the fiscal cliff. have entrepreneurs sitting on the sidelines. who wants to start a business without knowing what the capital gains tax will be, tax code rate. plus the whole office supply industry has been shrinking for awhile, not just office max but office depot and staples as company shifted away from using lots of paper towards digital solutions like apple ipads. meanwhile there's not that much demand for the technological devices some of the companies sell which have become increasingly commodized. just witness hideous performance of best buy. despite all these big perceived big picture, office max has been rallying like crazy. stock has run up 122% for year. and it's fallen from 4.26 from the beginning of august to nearly $10. right now where the stock is less than a point off its 52-week high. what the heck, right? five months ago this stock had been left for dead. but now somehow office max has managed to find new life and become a monster good performer. just when you expect the company to be take it on the chin. what the heck is really
in part because of worries about the fiscal cliff. have entrepreneurs sitting on the sidelines. who wants to start a business without knowing what the capital gains tax will be, tax code rate. plus the whole office supply industry has been shrinking for awhile, not just office max but office depot and staples as company shifted away from using lots of paper towards digital solutions like apple ipads. meanwhile there's not that much demand for the technological devices some of the companies sell...
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. >> there are now 29 days until the country reaches the so-called fiscal cliff. and only 19 of those are business days. as yet there's been no counteroffer from the gop but today "the wall street journal" advises republicans to say the course writing given the political difficulty of reforming entitlements republicans are right to try get mr. obama's fingerprints on a deal this year. if mr. obama won't agree to these demin muss reforms republicans should let mr. obama own the debt crisis he has done so much to create. conservative commentator bill crystal says they're making a dangerous gamble. >> republicans are at risk in my view now of looking like they're defending, keeping the current tax rates for the wealthy. end of the day president obama is selling a simple message, i want to keep taxes low for middle-class americans and republicans look like -- i'm worried are in the position offiof ing -- looking as fe the don't care about middle class. >> joining us is the sage of capitol hill, boat shoe enthusiast and celebrity doppelganger, nbc's luke russert. >> go
. >> there are now 29 days until the country reaches the so-called fiscal cliff. and only 19 of those are business days. as yet there's been no counteroffer from the gop but today "the wall street journal" advises republicans to say the course writing given the political difficulty of reforming entitlements republicans are right to try get mr. obama's fingerprints on a deal this year. if mr. obama won't agree to these demin muss reforms republicans should let mr. obama own the...
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take the fiscal cliff stuff out, obama taxes target small businesses, let's say have you a small, not unreasonable you make around $500,000, you. we like 15 people. you raise their taxes, they will lop off 2 or 3 of those people. neil: who are these small business guys that got in. >> i'm sure some of them have -- you know, listen, not all small businesses are monolithic. neil: who are big business guys. >> lloyd, just so you know, i know him personal, saying how great the president's plan is, ear something like warren buffet, they made so much money already. what do they care if you take of their taxes a little bit. james gorman that runs morgan stanley, i really like, said put pressure on congress to get a deal done, i am sure that that james would not care if they raised upper rate on people, but morgan stanley still pushing for certain deducts that help business, i would be careful with listening to the quote, unquote corporate. >> we did look at this, we cannot prove a exact number but overwhelming number, either donated or were active supporters of the president, and diagramcrat
take the fiscal cliff stuff out, obama taxes target small businesses, let's say have you a small, not unreasonable you make around $500,000, you. we like 15 people. you raise their taxes, they will lop off 2 or 3 of those people. neil: who are these small business guys that got in. >> i'm sure some of them have -- you know, listen, not all small businesses are monolithic. neil: who are big business guys. >> lloyd, just so you know, i know him personal, saying how great the...
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they can staunch the bleeding from falling off the fiscal cliff if that happens. >> bret: ed, the former presidential candidate mitt romney was at the white house today. >> it's relatively brief. we had lunch with turkey chili and not business. president did have a specific job offer or anything for mitt romney. after the white house put out a statement to say they pledge to keep in touch if the opportunity arises down the road that sounded like not so much. >> bret: did biden bring by the apple pie? >> they may save that for a celebration if hay get a deal. >> all right, ed. thank you. >> major retailers are reporting weaker than expected holiday sales so far. november receipts are 1.7% over last year. that is well below the 4.5 to 5.5 predicted for holiday season. the economy grew at 2.7% in the third quarter better than the figure announced. the dow was up 37. the s&p 500 gained six. nasdaq finished ahead 20. syrian rebels struck a major blow in the heart of the government today killing a top ruling of the party in a car bombing and someone is cutting off internet and cell phone commu
they can staunch the bleeding from falling off the fiscal cliff if that happens. >> bret: ed, the former presidential candidate mitt romney was at the white house today. >> it's relatively brief. we had lunch with turkey chili and not business. president did have a specific job offer or anything for mitt romney. after the white house put out a statement to say they pledge to keep in touch if the opportunity arises down the road that sounded like not so much. >> bret: did biden...
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. >> jamie: maybe santa will help with the fiscal cliff. >> eric: man, does santa need to help with this one. no proposal, have you heard about this? it deals with the debt limit. the president wants to take congress' power away over that to do it himself. republicans say what? some on wall street, though apparently support it. we'll fill you in. >> jamie: also, the freight train that carried dangerous chemicals and derailed it, literally jumped the tracks. investigators are out there today. they say they may know what contributed to the crash. it really affected residents trying to cope. >> we have the workers coming in. we are asking them questions like what is going on, how is it going, what are we supposed to do? it seems no one knows anything. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. >> jamie: stories making headlines this hour, taliban homicide bomber attacking a joint u.s. and afghan base in afghanistan. five afghan seasonals killed were nine of the militants. at least seven
. >> jamie: maybe santa will help with the fiscal cliff. >> eric: man, does santa need to help with this one. no proposal, have you heard about this? it deals with the debt limit. the president wants to take congress' power away over that to do it himself. republicans say what? some on wall street, though apparently support it. we'll fill you in. >> jamie: also, the freight train that carried dangerous chemicals and derailed it, literally jumped the tracks. investigators are...
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going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. i am here seriously trying to reresolve it. >>reporter: a lot of people wonder if speaker boehner is trying to show he is fighting against some of the tax changes and he will come along to a deal. vice president biden went to a costco in washington, today, proclaimed himself optimistic there will be a deal and bought a big screen tv and and an apple pie. >>shepard: you mention speaker boehner and the fact is there is a group if his party, the conservative part that doesn't want him to act like he is moving and that is who he is talking to today? >>reporter: they want him to dig in. they want him to completely resist essentially going back to the old clinton administration tax rates of 39.6 percent on the top level. the bottom line when you ask about whether there is any progress there are signs of progress from the white house briefing and carney today said the president said in this phone call to speaker boehner, any deal has to have the rates going up but in the end, carney said it doesn't necessarily, he didn't say this dire
going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. i am here seriously trying to reresolve it. >>reporter: a lot of people wonder if speaker boehner is trying to show he is fighting against some of the tax changes and he will come along to a deal. vice president biden went to a costco in washington, today, proclaimed himself optimistic there will be a deal and bought a big screen tv and and an apple pie. >>shepard: you mention speaker boehner and the fact is there is a group if his...
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> is this assessment -- is this assessment of yours based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night and can you tell us something about that phone call? >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this -- this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much would you be open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to get to a longer range solution on entitlements and tax reform. >> there are a lot of options that are on the table including that one. >> mr. speaker, before the election you were asked whether if obama won, taxes would have to go up. you've made it sound like you would oppose that. now you've -- you're acknowledging that they will. >> the day after the election, i came here and made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table. as a
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> is this assessment -- is this assessment of yours based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night and can you tell us something about that phone call? >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this -- this assessment i give you...
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with the fiscal cliff, that is serious business. i am here seriously trying to resolve it. i would hope the white house would get serious as well. [inaudible question] >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. the assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. [inaudible question] >> there are a lot of options on the table, including that one. [inaudible question] >> the day after the election, i came here and made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table, as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolved. [inaudible question] >> the revenue is on the table. revenue was only on the table if there were serious spending cuts as part of this agreement. it has to be part of the agreement. we have a debt crisis. we are spending too much. we have to recognize it is the spending that is out of control. >> what size of spending cuts do you think it would take? >> i do not think it is productive for either side to layout hardlines and what the size of spending cuts ought to be. the
with the fiscal cliff, that is serious business. i am here seriously trying to resolve it. i would hope the white house would get serious as well. [inaudible question] >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. the assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. [inaudible question] >> there are a lot of options on the table, including that one. [inaudible question] >> the day after the election, i...
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cliff negotiations. dave: peter barnes has been on tim geithner's trail all day long and joins us from capitol hill. we had little snippets of moon news that move to the markets. peter: treasury secretary left capitol hill here with republicans angry. we got a statement out of senator mitch mcconnell, senate republican leader after his meeting with tim geithner and he said, quote, they took a step backwards. according to a senate leadership republican leadership source secretary tim geithner came to the meeting basically read proposing the president's demand for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue from wealthier americans. john boehner also met with secretary and 8 this morning and he was not happy either. take a listen. >> despite claims that the president supports a balanced approach, democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two months. >> is a tactic. it is a tactic. but the facts are
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cliff. to your point, you recently said, even if we reach a deal, the economy is still at series risk of a recession. >> that is right. we are looking at and economy that is very weak. growth was very disappointed. less than 2% real gdp growth in 2012. we will be struggling to achieve that next year, even without hitting the economy with more fiscal bad news. if we go over the cliff, it is really a major downturn. uncertainty remains about what is coming next. put that all together and we could certainly be put on the edge of a recession. lori: that manufacturing number coming in the low 50s, singling contraction. is that the first signal that this economy really is in trouble? >> certainly not the first signal. household earnings down. real disposable personal income has not increased since may. we are really looking at an economy that is weak. ooly thing keeping keeping consumer spending going is that households have been prepared to cut back on their savings rate to such a low level that
cliff. to your point, you recently said, even if we reach a deal, the economy is still at series risk of a recession. >> that is right. we are looking at and economy that is very weak. growth was very disappointed. less than 2% real gdp growth in 2012. we will be struggling to achieve that next year, even without hitting the economy with more fiscal bad news. if we go over the cliff, it is really a major downturn. uncertainty remains about what is coming next. put that all together and we...
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and that's very consistent with the fiscal cliff weighing on business hiring and investment. machinery equipment in manufacturing employment was down. same with construction of nonresidential buildings. the strong retail numbers which have been strong for a couple months not just in november suggest the consumer has not been hit by the cliff. one other point about the hurricane impact, we don't know what the bureau of labor statistics considers substantial. according to ma ing ting t ingi 300,000 said they weren't working because of the weather and that's six times the normal level. >> to underscore the statistical significance, 86,000 was in the adp report affected by the hurricane. that's not within the statistical range with what they consider significant. it did have an impact and it may or may not have shown up. i think greg brings up a good point about the fiscal cliff and the break between consumer and corporate activity is very important. we saw the decline in investment in the third quarter very much related to fiscal cliff issues and concerns and delays on hiring an
and that's very consistent with the fiscal cliff weighing on business hiring and investment. machinery equipment in manufacturing employment was down. same with construction of nonresidential buildings. the strong retail numbers which have been strong for a couple months not just in november suggest the consumer has not been hit by the cliff. one other point about the hurricane impact, we don't know what the bureau of labor statistics considers substantial. according to ma ing ting t ingi...
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they would book dentist appointment or pull a hamstring and let him get his way and own the fiscal cliff debacle. >> eric: it's not a bad call. this could be terrible for the economy and hurt jobs and businesses. but honestly, if you are ready, america, if you are ready, hold your nose, take a deep breath and take the medicine. it will fix the problem and the deficit problem as long as everything in the fiscal cliff happens. as long as sequestration happens it will hurt defense. tax rate goes up. eventually you will get someone out, to get that president out and get president who wants lower tax rates and congress that wants the lower tax rate and maybe a senate. it would hurt dramatically. best time to do it is now. >> andrea: there are two schools of thought here. one if you follow twitter or watch republicans who are on the pundit circle, they say let them go off cliff and let obama own that. there is another one that says just let him have what he wants and then when the economy nose dives he will have to own it. republicans are going to get blamed anyway. do you feel strong about ei
they would book dentist appointment or pull a hamstring and let him get his way and own the fiscal cliff debacle. >> eric: it's not a bad call. this could be terrible for the economy and hurt jobs and businesses. but honestly, if you are ready, america, if you are ready, hold your nose, take a deep breath and take the medicine. it will fix the problem and the deficit problem as long as everything in the fiscal cliff happens. as long as sequestration happens it will hurt defense. tax rate...
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> and the speaker tweeted, "how serious is the white house about avoiding the fiscal cliff?" reports suggest, in some cases, not so serious. and also, joanne, what is the strategy here, and is there a risk like looking like you're not really negotiating? >> well, you know, i think what's interesting is that there's the posture that everyone is taking in public, but then what you're hearing behind the scenes is that everyone's sort of understands what the contours of the deal are going to look like. and what i see is john boehner trying to sort of protect his caucus at this point because he probably understands that at the end of the day, that top rate is going to go up. and republicans are in a really awkward position because right now essentially they're just defending the tax cut for the top 2%. at the same time, the white house's public posture is to say well, no, we don't want to go over the fiscal cliff because you don'
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> and the speaker tweeted, "how serious is the white house about avoiding the fiscal cliff?" reports suggest, in some cases, not so serious. and also, joanne, what is the strategy here, and is there a risk like looking like you're not really negotiating? >> well, you know, i think what's interesting is that there's...
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. >> yesterday the white house fiscal cliff proposal made top senate republican mitch mcconnell laugh, we are told. >> today the rhetoric continued. eamon javers breaks down all the hardball offers and the reactions in washington. over to you, eamon. >> hi, guys. we got a lot going on here in washington this week. a lot of horse trading. we dealt with a lot of the spee speech. the white house is saying they'd like to see $1.6 trillion in tax increases up front here. they'd like to continue the payroll tax credit. they want a permanent increase in the debt limit and a one-year extension of expanded jobless benefits. they want at least $50 billion in spending as a stimulus to the economy. that was the white house ask that prompted that laugh from mitch mcconnell when tim geithner gave it to him yesterday. today in an interview with "the wall street journal," mcconnell floated his own balloon of what he'd like to see. here are some of the elements. mcconnell saying they want changes to entitlement eligibility. they would agree to more tax revenue, yes, but not higher rates. only if they
. >> yesterday the white house fiscal cliff proposal made top senate republican mitch mcconnell laugh, we are told. >> today the rhetoric continued. eamon javers breaks down all the hardball offers and the reactions in washington. over to you, eamon. >> hi, guys. we got a lot going on here in washington this week. a lot of horse trading. we dealt with a lot of the spee speech. the white house is saying they'd like to see $1.6 trillion in tax increases up front here. they'd...
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dennis: president obama pushing the fiscal cliff to the business leaders. cheryl: speaker john boehner is getting an earful saying he is caving. rich edson is in washington with more. >> perhaps folks in washington are thinking maybe these two sides will get down to actually doing sometime soon but they say that is noo happening right now. house speaker john boehner said he's willing to sit down and talk to the president. we asked the white house if they plan on calling the speaker of the house inviting him over for a phone call, the white house hasn't responded to that question. coming down to two objects. >> if all you're relying on his closing exceptions and loopholes. let me amend that. it is not wise to do as a practical matter. >> they will come from guess who. the rich. there are ways to limit the options, close the polls and have them pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> that seems to be the key to this entire fiscal cliff mess. president obama saying the roundtable was struck by ceo's willingness to pay hi
dennis: president obama pushing the fiscal cliff to the business leaders. cheryl: speaker john boehner is getting an earful saying he is caving. rich edson is in washington with more. >> perhaps folks in washington are thinking maybe these two sides will get down to actually doing sometime soon but they say that is noo happening right now. house speaker john boehner said he's willing to sit down and talk to the president. we asked the white house if they plan on calling the speaker of the...
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that could be also, by the way, a fiscal cliff effect. zplint vi >> interviewing secretary geithner later today. what's your first question going to be? >> i want to get his response -- we had the president respond to boehner's proposal but i want to get the secretary's response, too, the specific issue of, hey, the republicans looked like they made a step forward, actually got some accolades in some of the press for agreeing to new revenues. where's the administration's response on that side? are they willing to give? i think that's a key question right now in terms of what the news flow is right now but also there's critical questions about the dollars on both sides of the equation, tyler. >> steve leisman, thank you very much. >>> jim iuorio, i want to ask you the same question i just asked steve. if you were talking to secretary geithner at 4:00 p.m. today as steve will be, what would your first question to him be? >> my questions would be about dividends and capital gains as they're market related. with the dividends we've seen a tre
that could be also, by the way, a fiscal cliff effect. zplint vi >> interviewing secretary geithner later today. what's your first question going to be? >> i want to get his response -- we had the president respond to boehner's proposal but i want to get the secretary's response, too, the specific issue of, hey, the republicans looked like they made a step forward, actually got some accolades in some of the press for agreeing to new revenues. where's the administration's response on...
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are worried about the fiscal cliff that's according to the fed's beige book out today what is the beige book anyway and who cares we'll tell you why it matters and word of the day let's get to today's capital account. when we talk about economic development or prospects on this show we typically talk about debt about private sector innovation we talk about monetary policy probably much of the time we talk about fiscal policy we don't often on this show talk about economic prosperity is primarily a function of political institutions but that's what our next guest thinks is the most crucial maybe we have it all wrong here at least if you believe political institutions play the role that james robinson does his research are a comparative economic and political development is the david lawrence professor of government at harvard university and is author of the book why nations fail so thank you for being on the show we're excited to have you wanted to talk about things from this perspective but my pleasure. yes so what role do political institutions in your view play in economic growth why
are worried about the fiscal cliff that's according to the fed's beige book out today what is the beige book anyway and who cares we'll tell you why it matters and word of the day let's get to today's capital account. when we talk about economic development or prospects on this show we typically talk about debt about private sector innovation we talk about monetary policy probably much of the time we talk about fiscal policy we don't often on this show talk about economic prosperity is...
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as the markets remain focused on the fiscal cliff, what else should we be watching ahead of tomorrow's market trading. we have 30 seconds on the clock for each of our next guests. joining me now is stephanie link from the street. chris from huntington funds. good to see you both. stephanie, kick us off. 30 seconds on the clock. what do you want to see tomorrow? >> interest rate decisions from the ecb as well as bank of england. commentary from mario draghi will be very important about the state of affairs in europe. there's an analyst meeting tomorrow. a lot of this is tied to stronger revenue growth. and there's an analyst meeting tomorrow on hombres. i like both stocks. >> thanks a lot, stephanie. chris, what are you looking for. 30 seconds on the clock. what do you want to look at to move our money? >> the major impact is looking at the fiscal cliff. any compromise close to that is going to give the market some upward swing. the gop is under extreme pressure since president obama is definitely going to be seeing a wealthy tax added to it. on the economic news, little light tomorrow
as the markets remain focused on the fiscal cliff, what else should we be watching ahead of tomorrow's market trading. we have 30 seconds on the clock for each of our next guests. joining me now is stephanie link from the street. chris from huntington funds. good to see you both. stephanie, kick us off. 30 seconds on the clock. what do you want to see tomorrow? >> interest rate decisions from the ecb as well as bank of england. commentary from mario draghi will be very important about the...
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. >>> the fight over the fiscal cliff is having an affect on small businesses right now. just as congress, the people running those businesses, they're not agreeing on a solution, but poppy harlow, she's got the perspective from the folks who are suffering. >> if any company, any business did the method of accounting as the government sdshgs we would be in jail. >> you sound like you've had it? >> yes, basically i have. >> debt is a cancer. that's what bob told me when we met him at his limousine company in freehold, new jersey. stoo here's the reservations. staffed 24 hours a day. >> reporter: he started the business back in 1984. today he has a staff of 75. 53 cars. one big question. >> i just want congress to tell me to come up with what the boundaries are so i know -- i know how to run my business. i know how to plan. >> he has laid off four employees in the last six months. he says the business made it through the stock market crash of 1987, the savings and loan crisis, and 9/11 with no decline in revenue until the financial crisis of 2008 and now this. >> could more
. >>> the fight over the fiscal cliff is having an affect on small businesses right now. just as congress, the people running those businesses, they're not agreeing on a solution, but poppy harlow, she's got the perspective from the folks who are suffering. >> if any company, any business did the method of accounting as the government sdshgs we would be in jail. >> you sound like you've had it? >> yes, basically i have. >> debt is a cancer. that's what bob told...
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dennis: fiscal cliff survival kit coming up in the next steps your small business should take right now to prepare. plus jeff flock is milking of fiscal cliff story for us and from the farm. jeff: you don't care about the fiscal cliff but if you care about milk prices if we don't get a deal on a farm bill, milk prices could double within a month. i will explain how that will happen right down here on the farm. we will get it from the horse or the calla's and house. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting lief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving theain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list at the winter event going onow -- but hurry, the off ends soon. cheryl: 30 past the hour, the largest generic maker -- >> pharmaceuticals of by 1/2%. announcing a major reorganization plan with $2 billion and expenses over the next five years and this is wide ranging
dennis: fiscal cliff survival kit coming up in the next steps your small business should take right now to prepare. plus jeff flock is milking of fiscal cliff story for us and from the farm. jeff: you don't care about the fiscal cliff but if you care about milk prices if we don't get a deal on a farm bill, milk prices could double within a month. i will explain how that will happen right down here on the farm. we will get it from the horse or the calla's and house. you know how painful...
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going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> now, the white house thinks republicans have overdone the outrage today. they say the real problem republicans have is they don't want to raise taxes on the rich. so basically we are still deadlocked tonight, shep. >> shepard: vice president biden did his part for the economy today. he went shopping? >> yeah a new cosco here in washington, d.c. opened up today. big crowd in the parking lot. vice president's motorcade showed up. he actually bought a big screen tv as well as a apple pie. what could be more american than that. he went on to is a say he is feeling good and optimistic about a deal. take a listen. >> i am. i am. all these folks in this store, man, going to make a difference. >> more important than shopping trip will be what actually happens between the president and speaker boehner. we're told they had a phone call last night. initial report suggested it was tense. white house saying they made some progress. we
going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> now, the white house thinks republicans have overdone the outrage today. they say the real problem republicans have is they don't want to raise taxes on the rich. so basically we are still deadlocked tonight, shep. >> shepard: vice president biden did his part for the economy today. he went shopping? >> yeah a new cosco...
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cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> speaker boehner made very clear at his press conference that he thinks the ball is in your court and the president's court. he says democrats have got to get series about spending cuts. where is the disconnect? >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him. okay? >> reid making those comments to our own kate bolduan. i'm joined by dan lothian. dan, we're learning more about the white house plan to deal with the fiscal cliff. break it down for us. >> reporter: right. this is the plan that secretary -- treasury secretary timothy geithner took up to capitol hill yesterday. it calls for $1.6 trillion in tax increases over a ten-year period more than republicans had anticipated. in addition to that, $400 billion in spending cuts that will come later. much of that not really specified. we're looking at entitlements such as medicare. and then the plan also includes $50 billion
cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> speaker boehner made very clear at his press conference that he thinks the ball is in your court and the president's court. he says democrats have got to get series about spending cuts. where is the disconnect? >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him. okay? >> reid making those comments to our own kate bolduan. i'm joined by dan...
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is this a reaction to the fiscal cliff? >> well, we started reducing our municipal debt a couple years ago when the recession was on and state governments were having a hard time. we just had too much. we had about $26 billion. now we're down to 13. i feel good at where we're at. we reduced it for four reasons. if you're loaning somebody money, right, you want to make sure they got income to pay you. you want to make sure they got decent balance sheet. you got to like the management team. you got to like governance. in many of these states, we didn't like all four of them. we thought they didn't have any money, weren't generating enough tax rev news, their governance was terrible. so we said, you know, we're just going to get smaller. >> hurricane sandy, big hit? >> $1.75 billion. about a quarter worth of earnings for us. i toured the damage yesterday. all the devastation you'd expect. i saw all the places. the interesting thing was what you don't see in those tapes are the american resilience. people pick themselves up and
is this a reaction to the fiscal cliff? >> well, we started reducing our municipal debt a couple years ago when the recession was on and state governments were having a hard time. we just had too much. we had about $26 billion. now we're down to 13. i feel good at where we're at. we reduced it for four reasons. if you're loaning somebody money, right, you want to make sure they got income to pay you. you want to make sure they got decent balance sheet. you got to like the management team....
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the going over the fiscal cliff is serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. paul? >> [inaudible]. >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much are you open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to get to a longer range solution on entitlements? >> there are a lot of options on the table including that one. andrew. >> [inaudible]. >> the day after the election i came here and made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolved. >> [inaudible]. >> revenue is on the table but revenue was only on the table if there were serious spending cuts as part of this agreement. it has to be part of the agreement. we have a debt crisis! we're spending too much. while we're willing to put revenue on the table we have to recognize it's the spending that is out of control. >> roughly
the going over the fiscal cliff is serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. paul? >> [inaudible]. >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much are you open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to get to a longer range...
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going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i am here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope that the white house would get serious as well. a congressional republican aide said the only changes in the entitlement come from the president's budget that was voted down by the u.s. senate 99-zero and zoro democrats supported it. the white house said it is the republicans and their refusal to ask higher income americans to pay higher rates. >> asking for a price to be paid for congress to do its job and insure that the united states of america does pay the bills is deeply irresponsible. it was deeply irresponsible in the summer of 2011 and deeply irresponsible if we were to see that kind of approach taken again. >> something new in the proposal. they want to continue to raise the debt limit on their own unless two-thirds of lawmakers say no. >> gretchen: do you remember on this program yesterday where we said this is not a deal. what is proposed is not a deal. a definition of deal, both sides give something, right. this
going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i am here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope that the white house would get serious as well. a congressional republican aide said the only changes in the entitlement come from the president's budget that was voted down by the u.s. senate 99-zero and zoro democrats supported it. the white house said it is the republicans and their refusal to ask higher income americans to pay higher rates. >> asking for a price to be paid...
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brian moynihan was talking about small businesses impacted by the fiscal cliff. i did an interview yesterday afternoon with someone who has done hundreds of channel checks and works in the same areas as you and warns me that he's seeing softness. take a listen. >> we're seeing now october, november little bit of a slowdown. it's due to post-election blues. fiscal cliff coming up. you had hurricane impact on the northeast when most of the companies report fourth quarter sometime in january i think they will probably see some sort of a modest slowdown versus that third quarter trend that we saw. >> let me take you specifically to a note out you have this morning on the cruise liners where you are talking about the trends there. the pricing there continuing to deteriorate at a time when royal caribbean is up 42% year-to-date. carnival up 19%. what do you make of that area now? should people sell? >> i guess i would say contrary to what your guest just said from bank of america, we are actually seeing weakening signs across all four sectors. we cover hospitality broa
brian moynihan was talking about small businesses impacted by the fiscal cliff. i did an interview yesterday afternoon with someone who has done hundreds of channel checks and works in the same areas as you and warns me that he's seeing softness. take a listen. >> we're seeing now october, november little bit of a slowdown. it's due to post-election blues. fiscal cliff coming up. you had hurricane impact on the northeast when most of the companies report fourth quarter sometime in january...
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there is that fiscal cliff worry out there, it's a real concern. there are the tax implications here and the profit-taking that's under way right now and i don't know that we're done with that and just in general a macro economic environment and so much of the apple story is still consumer products and there's pressure in those areas, comes right back to gross margins and what can the business model support right now. those are a lot of reasons why they're neutral. >> when do you get more positive given your latest checks are fairly favorable in terms of products, retail channels, it's clear that they have a pretty big moat when it comes to tablets. at what level do you get more positive? >> i think you're tempted technically and earnings power perspective as well as the dividend gets above 2% and i think that's attractive for many people. you're right, the holiday checks we've done, black friday and the commencement of the weekend through cyber monday all checked out favorably for apple. i think they're still the hottest going brand in town and th
there is that fiscal cliff worry out there, it's a real concern. there are the tax implications here and the profit-taking that's under way right now and i don't know that we're done with that and just in general a macro economic environment and so much of the apple story is still consumer products and there's pressure in those areas, comes right back to gross margins and what can the business model support right now. those are a lot of reasons why they're neutral. >> when do you get more...
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cliff uncertainty could lead to an increase in mergers and acquisitions. they look to complete transactions by year end and i made a fool of myself the last hour trying to go all the way through. not doing it anymore. >> we do that all the time here. that's what we have three hours for. >> it was dumb. >> the name fiscal cliff where did that actually come from? >> i don't know. >> bernanke maybe. >> maybe. >> really? >> maybe bernanke. >> that thing really stuck. >> that's a good question. that's good trivia. i'll goog it. >> we've said it's not really. it doesn't happen really. it's more of a ski slope it's not a black diamond slope. it's more advanthan advanced. >> a double blue. >> but not without a lot of moguls. >> dan gilbert is the own of the cleveland cavaliers and the founder of quicken loans and you're the perfect person to have here because you have your finger on so many different things happening in detroit and around the country. let's start with the housing industry this morning because people have been trying to figure out if the resurgence
cliff uncertainty could lead to an increase in mergers and acquisitions. they look to complete transactions by year end and i made a fool of myself the last hour trying to go all the way through. not doing it anymore. >> we do that all the time here. that's what we have three hours for. >> it was dumb. >> the name fiscal cliff where did that actually come from? >> i don't know. >> bernanke maybe. >> maybe. >> really? >> maybe bernanke. >>...
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we will take a look at what exactly the fiscal cliff means to small business owners and what they can do to prevent any damage. they could be among the hardest hit if we don't get a deal. shannon, back to you. >> so many consequences. all right. thank you, brenda. we asked, you answered. up next, your time to chime in on today's twitter question. and a must-see kicker video you do not want to miss. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. [ male announcer ] are you on medicare? do you have the coverage you need? open enrollment ends friday, december 7th. so don't wait. now's the time to get on a path that could be right for you... with unitedhealthcare medicare solutions. call today to learn about the kinds of coverage we offer, including aarp medicarecomplete plans insured through unitedhealthcare. these med
we will take a look at what exactly the fiscal cliff means to small business owners and what they can do to prevent any damage. they could be among the hardest hit if we don't get a deal. shannon, back to you. >> so many consequences. all right. thank you, brenda. we asked, you answered. up next, your time to chime in on today's twitter question. and a must-see kicker video you do not want to miss. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the...
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on the fiscal cliff. melissa: phil, real quick what is going on with nat-gas? we're freezing here in the northeast. >> it is balmy outside what are you talking about? it is so warm. i'll tell you what, this goes to show you the incredible production that is happening. we see rig counts went up last week but they're down 45% on the year. we're so much more efficient producing gas. melissa: sure. >> it is building supplies and temperatures not as cold as advertised. melissa: phil, thanks so much. >> thank you. lori: phil sounds like he was screaming at someone. melissa: a little under the weather. we wish him well. lori: of course. groupon, was it just a fad? the future of groupon ceo andrew mason may be in jeopardy as the social website's board decides on the fate and strategy for the company. shibani joshi joins us with the latest on one struggling company, shibani. >> i have to tell you only one number investors care about when it comes to keeping management in place and the overall gross prospects of th
on the fiscal cliff. melissa: phil, real quick what is going on with nat-gas? we're freezing here in the northeast. >> it is balmy outside what are you talking about? it is so warm. i'll tell you what, this goes to show you the incredible production that is happening. we see rig counts went up last week but they're down 45% on the year. we're so much more efficient producing gas. melissa: sure. >> it is building supplies and temperatures not as cold as advertised. melissa: phil,...
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cliff, rather, and if they don't, it could harm consumer can ha confidence and in turn businesses like this one in pennsylvania. but, chris, also expect republicans to sort of lob a counterpunch today. i expect them to sort of highlight a business nearby that could be harmed if taxes do go up on those making $250,000 or more because, of course, that is for some small businesses their budget level. chris? >> and one thing, a quick follow-up, did the white house -- do you have any indication did the white house expect the reaction they got on capitol hill yesterday? i assume with this proposal, which much of it isn't new. this is essentially the president's budget proposal from last year, that they didn't think john boehner was going to say, that sounds good, let's do that. but did they expect the dismissiveness and john boehner's tone in his press conference yesterday? did that catch them by surprise at all? >> reporter: well, i think the white house democrats were a little surprised by the backlash but, as you point out, this budget proposal is essentially what the president proposed l
cliff, rather, and if they don't, it could harm consumer can ha confidence and in turn businesses like this one in pennsylvania. but, chris, also expect republicans to sort of lob a counterpunch today. i expect them to sort of highlight a business nearby that could be harmed if taxes do go up on those making $250,000 or more because, of course, that is for some small businesses their budget level. chris? >> and one thing, a quick follow-up, did the white house -- do you have any...
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to the fiscal cliff. but tim geithner just told cnbc that we're going to go over the cliff unless tax rates go up. at the same time, two dozen republican house members signed a bipartisan letter with democrats defecting from the boehner plan. in the meantime, a nice game for the day for the dow, but a stunning selloff for apple. do you know what? fiscal cliff or not, the s&p 500 is up 12% year to date. that is a handsome gain for investors, an optimistic year, believe it or not. and we already bailed out detroit's auto industry. but now, at least one motown politician is telling president obama he should bail out detroit bankrupt city government, too. this sure isn't the free market, and i asked why should a texas taxpayer bail out detroit? >>> breaking news from syria, and it is a blockbuster. the assad regime is walking and loading its chemical weapons, ready to use them on its own people. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent joins us now. jim, is this the red line president obama was warning about? >> we
to the fiscal cliff. but tim geithner just told cnbc that we're going to go over the cliff unless tax rates go up. at the same time, two dozen republican house members signed a bipartisan letter with democrats defecting from the boehner plan. in the meantime, a nice game for the day for the dow, but a stunning selloff for apple. do you know what? fiscal cliff or not, the s&p 500 is up 12% year to date. that is a handsome gain for investors, an optimistic year, believe it or not. and we...
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business, and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> is this based on your meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night. could you tell us something about that phone call? >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much would you be open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to get to a longer range solution on entitlements and tax reforms? >> there are a lot of options on the table including that one. >> before the election you were asked whether if obama won taxes would have to go up. i are acknowledging that they will. >> the day after the election i came here and made it clear that the republicans would put revenue on the table as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolved. >> my question is, what message do you have for people who look at the negotiating
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business, and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> is this based on your meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night. could you tell us something about that phone call? >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those...
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> we can debate at length whether the november 6th election was a mandate, but i don't think we can debate the basics that it was a work order, a work order from the american people to members of congress and to the president, roll up your sleeves, work together and solve the problems. we got the message. did speaker boehner get the message? because the message was work together. what we hear from him is all of his pain and frustration and angst dealing with the tea party in his own caucus. well, there comes a point when he needs to look beyond his caucus to the house and to the nation. >> all right. welcome back to "morning joe." >> i guess the more things change, the more they stay the same. it's depressing, you're right, harold, we've seen this movie before. this was a year ago. this happened a year ago. and i know the media says oh, it's the republicans' fault any time the house doesn't completely fold into what the pres
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> we can debate at length whether the november 6th election was a mandate, but i don't think we can debate the basics that it was a work order, a work order from the american people to members of congress and to the president, roll up your sleeves, work together and solve the problems. we got the message. did speaker boehner get the...